Waste Master Hose Systems for emptying holding tanks on RVs.
Author: Greg Gerber
This week taught me another lesson about the value of hanging out with experienced RVers. Although I have been traveling full-time in my motorhome for more than two years, I certainly don’t know all the tips and tricks to making the journey successful. Not even close.
I was visiting very scenic Hollister, Calif., to get work done on my motorhome. The good folks at DrainMaster were replacing my old get-your-hands-dirty-while-dumping septic valves and hoses with their truly revolutionary Waste Master waste management system. I’ll have more on that in a future article.
But, while enjoying a meal that night, I was reminded of how valuable these spontaneous interactions are. Click here to read the rest of the article.
If you’re a seasoned RV’er, you’re all too familiar with leaky fittings, sewer hose pin holes, broken valve handles and the challenging task of trying to make sure the hose stays in the sewer inlet. And how about the occasional sewer smell in your RV? These are the parts of the RV’ing lifestyle that the salesman didn’t make any mention of, when you purchased your RV. And doesn’t it seem that in this day and age of technology, there would be a better way? Read on to hear what Gary Bunzer, The RV Doctor has to say about the issue. You’ll find some great tips and products that just might have you looking forward to dumping your holding tanks.
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*please note, the Polychute sewer hose which is featured in this article, is no longer available.
Here at Drain Master, we had the pleasure of meeting one of our customers last winter when he and his wife stopped by to get some help with a modification to their RV that would make using their Waste Master Sewer hose system even cleaner, easier and trouble free. Ray and his wife Anne have a wonderful website www.loveryourrv.com where they share their full timing experiences, RV tips, upgrades and modifications. Ray posted and excellent article and supporting video, detailing the modification which you’ll want to check out. Once you’ve read it go ahead and explore the site further. We think you’ll find many interesting tips and articles.
Excerpt from www.loveyourrv.com by Ray Burr
You may remember last year I gave the Waste Master RV Sewer System a full Love Your RV review. I was very impressed with the design and quality of the hose and connections. In the last year, it hasn’t failed to live up to my high expectations.
The only major beef I had with the sewer hose was the permanently attached 90-degree head, storage was an issue. It would not easily slide into the rear bumper like my old hose did. I ended up building a custom carrier for it mounted on top of the bumper. This arrangement worked well enough however I’ve since come to realize there may be a much better solution.
Soon after my review was published I was contacted by Doug Swarts of DrainMaster.com. He is a long time RVer and the designer of the Waste Master Sewer System. Doug informed me he envisioned the sewer hose to be always hooked to the RV. Therefore it would be unnecessary to decouple it between campsites. No more dribbling stinky slinky to deal with when breaking camp. The Waste Master hose would live in its own storage box or sleeve. Read the Full Article HERE
During your time in the RV lifestyle you may have seen different versions of the Waste Master Sewer Hose System. This heavy duty sewer hose with its patented nozzle is in a class all its own when it comes to dumping the holding tanks on your RV. Waste Master first appeared on the scene back in 2007 and was standard equipment on various Beaver, Foretravel, Travel Supreme, Western Rec, Carriage and Newell models. These RV’s had the advantage of having the hose permanently connected at all times and stored in a convenient storage system with a locking door. They even had a handheld remote that pulled the hose back into the RV when finished. Dumping the holding tanks suddenly wasn’t the dreaded chore that it always has been, for the owners.
We wanted to bring the same convenience to all the folks that already own their RV’s and Fifth Wheels, so we launched the Waste Master Adapter Kit, to install aftermarket. While it may not be possible to retrofit your RV in the same way as the high line coaches mentioned above, we like to think outside the box and have come up with different ways to ensure that our customers can use the Waste Master Sewer Hose System. We also have an enclosure for 5th wheels and travel trailers. In this article written by Greg Gerber of Let’sRV.com and RV Daily Report, you can see how we were able to set him up with a permanently connected Waste Master hose with minimal changes to his sewer bay.
Erik has his own blog http://www.eriksrantz.blogspot.com/ and he, like the rest of us have expectations when dealing with businesses. You can read the whole article on his site, but I thought it worth posting what Erik has to say about us as well as other companies, that believe that “The customer is king” without our customers, no one has a job! We love to help RVers solve waste managment issues and in the process hope they find our products worth purchasing. Thank you Erik for putting our site on your list of sites to visit.
Here are a list of some sites that I’ll also put on the side that I have found helpful in diagnosing the various maladies I have had to re-fix after the dealer failed to do so. For the forums, if you’re new to RVing visit the beginner section of the forums, they are a great way to discuss this lifestyle!
– http://www.rvdoctor.com a great resource site and he has videos that explain many fixes for free.
– http://blog.drainmaster.com/ I have learned a lot about drains and RV tank venting from this site. When I need to do some upgrades it looks like they have some great products to do the job. Not sure about how to properly dump your tanks? They have a great article about that right here.
– http://www.rvlinks.com/ The title says it all!
RV Advice Links – http://www.rvadvice.com/rvlinks.html, there are a lot of links on this site for many things that concern RV’ers.
– http://www.irv2.com A great forum for help!
Years ago while full timing, I always had issues with connecting my sewer hose to the RV, as well as, between the hose and the fitting. The bayonet fitting on my RV, as it is with almost all other RVs, is a male 4 pin connection,
while the hose end is a female with the seal located in it.
This arrangement seemed odd, so I began to look at how other industries transferred liquids from vehicles. The first thing I noticed was the connections were completely different, not just in material thickness, to take the abuse of constant usage, but also the way the industrial fittings work. Industry standard fittings are all “compression” fittings, in other words when the male fitting comes in contact with the seal, it is compressed into the seal either with 2 cams or with a threaded ring, which is used extensively on fire trucks. The 2 cam arms are used on fuel trucks, as seen below.
This difference is significant when high pressure is needed, as with fire trucks and is as important when transferring fuel, even though the fuel is not under pressure, other than what is created by the tank. The need to have a connection that insured a fail proof connection made the “compression” style fitting a standard in all industries, with the exception of the RV industry.
Human waste is by no means as harmful when spilled, as fuel or as accident prone as a pressurized fire hose connection coming loose, but human waste is considered an environmental hazard!
Further study revealed that all commercial vehicles have the female fitting on the vehicle and the male fitting on the hose, exactly opposite to the RV bayonet system. The reason the male is on the hose in commercial applications is that the male fittings are just slightly larger than the hose itself, so are easier to store and handle the hose and extension hose assemblies.
Over the past 5 years we have never had a customer say they didn’t like the Cam Loc fitting and in fact we get compliments all the time on the secure feeling the user gets while dumping the holding tanks.
To hear what others are saying about the cam loc fitting, simply google cam lock or click this link to see a comment from the IRV2.com forum http://www.irv2.com/forums/f52/no-leak-sewer-hose-system-76084.html
Watch the RV Doctor show you how the system works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfhZ18etTjk&feature=player_embedded#t=0s
We are always happy to talk to you directly if you have question, 877 787 8833 toll free.
Every RVer knows that dumping the Black water, then the Gray water is to insure any residual Black water will be flushed down with the Gray water—but is this really true?
Actually it is, providing your Gray water dump valve and drain piping is 3″. Unfortunately many RV manufacturers still use 1.5″ piping and valves on the Gray water tank outlets. What actually happens in this case, is that only a very small portion of the inside of the sewer hose is cleaned. Probably looking a lot more like this
But this theory of dumping the gray water second, assumes that the water flow goes a little more like this
To get maximum hose flushing action, the Gray water exit valve and piping needs to be 3″.
Here are the reasons:
1. It takes 2.56 times longer to empty a 35 gallon tank through an 1.5″ hole than it does with
a 3″ hole.
2. With the overall flow slowed so much, the water doesnt rush down the hose as it should,
cleaning the whole interior of the hose.
3. As your Gray tank fills, a scum forms on the top of the water, generated from soap, oils,
shampoo, toothpaste etc. When the valve is opened, the faster the water exits, the
more it creats a whirlpool sucking the scum out. This action is minimal to non existant
through a 1.5″ hole.
Converting your existing system from 1.5″ to 3″ on the Gray tanks can only be done if the Gray holsing tank has a 3″ collar with a 3″ to 1.5″ reducer in it. You will be able to tell by looking at it. The first sign is, there is a band clamp around the tank collar.
Second is some white looking paste around the fitting area where the reducer was inserted. This material doesnt ever harden fully, so you can loosen the band clamp and by moving the reducer back and forth with pulling pressure on it and a little patience the reducer will come out. If your tank has a 1.5″ tank collar you are better off aborting the project.
If and when you look for a new RV, make sure you look to see the plumbing system detail, it is the area you do not like to go near, so be sure to check this area out before you buy. The devil is in the details and most folks buy the bling first, then are stuck with the issues that they didnt look for in the first place.
For some great holding tank tips, be sure you have requested our 7 Essential RV Holding Tank Tips
If you have ever experienced that unmistakable smell inside your RV, you absolutely know it is not supposed to be there EVER! Why it came into the living space of your coach is in all probability for one or two reasons. If you have been travelling down the road when you smell it or enter the coach when you stop, the possible problem is water has escaped out of one of the P-traps in your sink or shower, breaking the “water seal” created in the P-trap and allowing the sewer gases back into the living space of the RV.
The other possibility is that the holding tank roof vent allowed the outside air to enter the vent stack, creating a positive air pressure in the holding tank and the air is seeping into the living space through a poor seal somewhere.
With our most recent partnership with 360 Products Inc. we are in a position to help eliminate sewer odors in your RV once and for all, guaranteed. As you may already be aware, we sell the HepvO waterless P-trap which eliminates the issue of water spilling out of the traditional P-trap, however, if you have positive air pressure in the vent system, the potential for sewer gases to permeate the living space still exists.
We have looked in the past at carrying a roof vent but any of the units that worked required moving parts. The first on the market to address this problem was the 360 Shark Fin that turns in the breeze, causing a negative pressure in the vent stack and holding tanks. It’s popularity with consumers caught the eye of a couple of companies known in the RV Industry for “knocking off” good products and two more appeared on the market. The original inventor of the 360 Shark Fin knew this device had limitations, and his goal was to make a product with no moving parts that was very low profile and would never allow a negative pressure in the vent stack, under any wind condition. Five years in development and hundreds of models tested, the perfect unit emerged and they could not make it fail in any of the test labs it was sent to!
We are proud to be partnered with 360 Products Inc. and with the 360 Siphon added to our waste management product family, we feel all our products are designed to make your RVing experience uneventful when it comes to dealing with human waste issues.
We get asked all the time, “what is the difference between the Waste Master Cam Loc Adaptor Kit and the Polychute System”? While they appear to look the same at a quick glance because both have the exact same hose, a green and gray combination when the hose is extended, while collapsed it is green. They both share the same sewer inlet fitting, we call it a nozzle, and both have the clear view site glass just behind the nozzle itself.
CAM LOC ADAPTOR KIT POLYCHUTE SYSTEM
The nozzle features a shut off valve not found on any other sewer inlet fitting.
Nozzle in the Open Position
Polychute comes in a storage container (pictured above) while the Waste Master Adaptor Kit has a separate storage system (optional) that can be mounted under or in the sidewall of the RV (if there is room).
Waste Master Adaptor Kit Storage Tube
The main difference in the two are the coach connections.
CamLoc is used in many Industrial applications because it is easy to use and built to last!
The Cam Loc (which comes on the Waste Master Adapter Kit) works so well because it compresses the male hard fitting into the softer rubber seal as it locks down. This simple design has been so effective that fuel or gas trucks use them to off load fuel/gas.
Polylock fitting with Male Bayonet fitting (left)
The RV industry standard bayonet fitting twists the seal as it is being tightnend, which is why they leak. The Polylock eliminates this issue.
The Polylock connection on the Polychute sewer system was designed to work like the Cam Loc but without having to change the existing fitting. That is THE main difference between the Waste Master Adaptor Kit and the Polychute system.
If you have questions, we are always here to talk with you, 877 787 8833 Toll free
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